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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

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Ep 88: Stay in Learning Mode w/ Ben Callahan

<p>Davy talks to friend of the program, Ben Callahan from Sparkbox about his series The Question, which brings together design system designers bi-weekly to share and learn collaboratively in a 60-min workshop. </p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Wed, 15 Oct 2025 07:05:00 GMT

<p>Davy talks to friend of the program, Ben Callahan from Sparkbox about his series The Question, which brings together design system designers bi-weekly to share and learn collaboratively in a 60-min workshop. </p>

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Ep 87: Thinking Like an Engineer

<p>Davy and PJ talk about how amongst many good engineering traits, the rigor, and ways they work should be more adopted by product designers and specially us, maintainers. If we can track, version, and test our work as rigorously as engineers, we would be in a higher quality bar.</p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Tue, 30 Sep 2025 07:05:00 GMT

<p>Davy and PJ talk about how amongst many good engineering traits, the rigor, and ways they work should be more adopted by product designers and specially us, maintainers. If we can track, version, and test our work as rigorously as engineers, we would be in a higher quality bar.</p>

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Ep 86: I'm New to the TEAM w/ Guy Segal

<p>Davy talks special co-host, Guy Segal, about his first month at his new design systems job at Atlassian, and the fun of being a newbie after the first 30 days, when the going really starts getting tough.</p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Thu, 18 Sep 2025 17:05:52 GMT

<p>Davy talks special co-host, Guy Segal, about his first month at his new design systems job at Atlassian, and the fun of being a newbie after the first 30 days, when the going really starts getting tough.</p>

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Ep 85: Design Systems Ambassador

<p>Davy and PJ talk about the role of our designers on the ground, we call them our ambassadors. These good eggs not only inform our day-to-day product improvements, but help keep up informed across the org.</p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Thu, 04 Sep 2025 07:00:00 GMT

<p>Davy and PJ talk about the role of our designers on the ground, we call them our ambassadors. These good eggs not only inform our day-to-day product improvements, but help keep up informed across the org.</p>

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Ep 84: Design Systems Interviewing w/ Chela

<p>Davy with friend of the program, Chela Giraldo talk about their recent experiences looking for a new design systems, and the struggles with developing the "design system portfolio" that can tell our unique stories.</p><p>Chela has a recent post about it, which you should check out on <a href="https://www.designsystemscollective.com/searching-for-a-design-system-role-in-2025-42819d960088" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Design System Collective.</a></p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Fri, 15 Aug 2025 07:05:00 GMT

<p>Davy with friend of the program, Chela Giraldo talk about their recent experiences looking for a new design systems, and the struggles with developing the "design system portfolio" that can tell our unique stories.</p><p>Chela has a recent post about it, which you should check out on <a href="https://www.designsystemscollective.com/searching-for-a-design-system-role-in-2025-42819d960088" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Design System Collective.</a></p>

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Ep 83: Design Systems Education

<p>Davy and PJ discuss the challenges and strategies for design system training, especially when it comes to Figma. We explore the line between providing direct tool training and focusing on how the design system integrates with those tools.</p><p><br></p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Mon, 28 Jul 2025 07:05:00 GMT

<p>Davy and PJ discuss the challenges and strategies for design system training, especially when it comes to Figma. We explore the line between providing direct tool training and focusing on how the design system integrates with those tools.</p><p><br></p>

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Ep 82: Local Product Systems

<p>Davy talks about what he&#39;s seen with the popularity around (local) product systems and how you can may want to adoption via providing just some design system team support. PJ ends the convo with the lighter weight approach of supporting templates in code and design.</p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Thu, 10 Jul 2025 07:02:00 GMT

<p>Davy talks about what he&#39;s seen with the popularity around (local) product systems and how you can may want to adoption via providing just some design system team support. PJ ends the convo with the lighter weight approach of supporting templates in code and design.</p>

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Ep 81: Disagreements and Alignment

<p>Another takeaway from our cross-functional discussions, how do design system team members handle disagreements with consumers, or even our own teammates?</p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Thu, 19 Jun 2025 07:01:00 GMT

<p>Another takeaway from our cross-functional discussions, how do design system team members handle disagreements with consumers, or even our own teammates?</p>

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Ep 80: Building Single Use Figma Plugins

<p>Davy and PJ talk dive into designers building helpers and plugins to support more specialized design system maintainer workflows, and the beauty of unblocking ourselves.</p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Wed, 04 Jun 2025 07:05:00 GMT

<p>Davy and PJ talk dive into designers building helpers and plugins to support more specialized design system maintainer workflows, and the beauty of unblocking ourselves.</p>

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Ep 79: Cross-Functional Partnerships

<p>Davy and PJ talk about how to plan to best support inbound product design work, in addition to the differences between product-led work vs design system team-led initiatives.</p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Thu, 22 May 2025 07:05:00 GMT

<p>Davy and PJ talk about how to plan to best support inbound product design work, in addition to the differences between product-led work vs design system team-led initiatives.</p>

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Ep 78: Davy and PJ go to Figma's Config

<p>Because it was PJ&#39;s first Config, we decided to record a live, IRL episode, recap our first thoughts about the new product releases and a thread that we started about who Figma is designing for, dating back from last year&#39;s event.</p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Fri, 09 May 2025 07:01:00 GMT

<p>Because it was PJ&#39;s first Config, we decided to record a live, IRL episode, recap our first thoughts about the new product releases and a thread that we started about who Figma is designing for, dating back from last year&#39;s event.</p>

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Ep 77: Component Flexibility

<p>We&#39;re back with an episode an episode about component and design system flexibility. How opinionated should your design system be, vs a large set of reusable pieces that can be put in any which way together. Davy and PJ weigh in on both methods and where you may want to dive into a framework that allows you to build starting from anywhere.</p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Wed, 23 Apr 2025 07:05:00 GMT

<p>We&#39;re back with an episode an episode about component and design system flexibility. How opinionated should your design system be, vs a large set of reusable pieces that can be put in any which way together. Davy and PJ weigh in on both methods and where you may want to dive into a framework that allows you to build starting from anywhere.</p>

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Ep 76: Guy Segal and Design System Management and Ops

<p>Our friend Guy Segal, Director of Design Systems at Thomson Reuters comes and talks with us about consistency in operations and how to scale out systems thinking.</p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Fri, 11 Apr 2025 07:05:00 GMT

<p>Our friend Guy Segal, Director of Design Systems at Thomson Reuters comes and talks with us about consistency in operations and how to scale out systems thinking.</p>

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Ep 75: Davy and PJ's DS Origins

<p>We learn about PJ&#39;s start in design systems, dating back to 2011, and Davy&#39;s first introduction to it in 2015. They discuss while tech has evolved, aspects such as theming still remain a struggle to figure out. Also discussed is how we evolved our roles, and what might be suitable traits and tactics used by design system people in 2025.</p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Thu, 27 Mar 2025 07:05:00 GMT

<p>We learn about PJ&#39;s start in design systems, dating back to 2011, and Davy&#39;s first introduction to it in 2015. They discuss while tech has evolved, aspects such as theming still remain a struggle to figure out. Also discussed is how we evolved our roles, and what might be suitable traits and tactics used by design system people in 2025.</p>

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Ep 74: Maintaining Large Component Libraries

<p>Davy and PJ talk about design and code parity, how we keep our artifacts aligned with live product, and other nuances to maintaining large scale component libraries.</p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Sat, 08 Mar 2025 08:05:00 GMT

<p>Davy and PJ talk about design and code parity, how we keep our artifacts aligned with live product, and other nuances to maintaining large scale component libraries.</p>

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Ep 73: Component Migrations

<p>Davy and PJ talk about the challenges of updating legacy components from yesteryear, and what it takes to migrate legacy code to new design system components. When is the suitable time to do this work?</p><li><br /></li>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:05:00 GMT

<p>Davy and PJ talk about the challenges of updating legacy components from yesteryear, and what it takes to migrate legacy code to new design system components. When is the suitable time to do this work?</p><li><br /></li>

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Ep 72: Atomic Design

<p>Davy and PJ talk about the concepts presented in Brad Frost's 2013 book, Atomic Design, and how a simpler format in present day with components, patterns, and screens may be common representation for design teams. </p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Fri, 07 Feb 2025 08:03:00 GMT

<p>Davy and PJ talk about the concepts presented in Brad Frost's 2013 book, Atomic Design, and how a simpler format in present day with components, patterns, and screens may be common representation for design teams. </p>

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Ep 71: Reviewing Work from Product Designers

<p>In our second recent episode about reviewing work, Davy and PJ talk about how we review output from product designers on our teams and the need to stay plugged in so we can help designers earlier in the process.</p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Fri, 24 Jan 2025 08:05:00 GMT

<p>In our second recent episode about reviewing work, Davy and PJ talk about how we review output from product designers on our teams and the need to stay plugged in so we can help designers earlier in the process.</p>

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Ep 70: Comms

<p>While the podcast is one form of communication, on our teams we heavily utilize async written communication methods to best spread the good work of design systems. We talk about the different methods we communicate to stakeholders and consumers of our design system artifacts, specifically, documentation.</p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Wed, 08 Jan 2025 08:01:00 GMT

<p>While the podcast is one form of communication, on our teams we heavily utilize async written communication methods to best spread the good work of design systems. We talk about the different methods we communicate to stakeholders and consumers of our design system artifacts, specifically, documentation.</p>

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Ep 69: Design System Crits

<p>Davy and PJ dive into the various ways we've utilized crits on our teams to both do design ops related work, but also reviewing code, in addition to design.</p>

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Davy Fung + PJ Onori

Thu, 19 Dec 2024 08:06:00 GMT

<p>Davy and PJ dive into the various ways we've utilized crits on our teams to both do design ops related work, but also reviewing code, in addition to design.</p>

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